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        Well where do i begin...hmm.. let me start by apologizing for every gramatical error that will occur in this blog lol...

        Anyways, when newbies ask experienced managers about how to train young players, they all get the typical answer: fill the training line-up w/  "35+" "high Q"  "experienced" oldies and train only about 6-7 youths at a time and have the line-up consist of only 3-4 starting youths ( sub-in the remaining later in each game for the starting youths).  i may sound like a hypocrite with the upcoming statement, but i will say it anyway. I am one of the managers whose methos i doubt and i have given the same advice to newbies who seeked advice. From my own experience i know for a fact that having high Q oldies vs having low Q oldies have very small effects... if any actually.. proof you ask? well.. voila!

 

        My training in season 115 i believe...The oldest oldie was 77Q. The avg. gain was 48 atts. Prior to this season i bought these oldies by searching for the cheapest but quite experienced oldies available.. most of them had 200+ league match experience and some have 400+ league match experience.  However,as you can guess...some of the oldies retired shortly after this season... I also know for a fact that having no oldies in your line-up also affect your gains.. proof? Hacky's team :P. Since the retirement of oldies can ruin plans and looking for oldies with the most experience for cheap price can be frustrating, i will combine two ideas that is generally considered a "no-no" in the ML community and see if they even affect training of youths. I will train youths with very low Q <35 yrs old oldies with very little league-match experience (where the avereage experience is more than 30 but less than 200).  I will start from season 122 (when the oldies will be 30 yrs) and train for 4 seasons ( till season 125 when the oldies will be 34 yrs). I will update this blog with data at the beginining of each season and at the end of each season.

        The hypothesis of the experiment is:

Can you use low Q,  less than 35 years old oldies with not much experience (starting at 30 yrs old) to train youths effectively? 

If the average gain of youths after the first season is 40+ atts... then the first part of the experiment is a succes. 

If the combined average gain of youths after the combined 4 seasons is 37+ then the second part of the experiment is a success.

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Training w/ 30 yr old  low Q oldies with not much experience

S122 Data

Begining of Season

Oldies experience:

The green dot means that those oldies are in my first team training line-up

End of Season:

I will not include Muan Jata's gains in the data since he was only 2.5 stars.. which is not fair for the experiment since most people train 4 star+ players because they have more chances of gaining. but if you are still interested in his data.. he gained only 27 atts in 190 friendlies before i sold him.

 

Hmm.... Average gain of the 5 youths above is 44.4 atts...  which is well above my expectations especially when i achieved a new record of highest gains player i have ever trained :D. I believe i have answered one part of the question.. that experience, quality, and age (as long as they are 30+ yrs) does not really matter for youths when they are low quality. Yes the oldies did gain quite a lot.. but that did not stop the youths from gaining. I'll ofcourse continue the experiment and see if there is a significant change in results as the youths progress. 1 trial is not enough to come to conclusions... 

 

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 S123 Data

Quite dissapointed but it was expected. Average gain of youth is 37 atts

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S124 Data

 

During mid-season, I bought some Oldies to  improve my team, however i never once used them in friendlies , except league games and other official matches, but i did use them in 2 cups in which i played 1 match each.  That being said, the average youth gain this season is 42.33 atts... not too bad i guess.

 

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 S125 Data

Data table @ end of season :)

 I sold Juan Mata (offer was too good to pass), so i'll only be averaging the remaining 5 youths. Before i sold him, he gained 37 atts in 162 friendlies.

I still used the same oldies that i used since the beginning of this experiment, i just sacked some of them at EOS before i took this screen shot to make my team Qavg go up cos i needed to buy some high Q players. Anyways, avg gain of the 5 youths is 37.2 atts. 

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Training w/ all oldies < 35 years, low Q, and not much experience

 

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Conclusion

While overall exceptional gains were not achieved by the experiment, it  still showed that  low Q oldies who are used for training starting at about 30 yrs without much initial exeperience  still get youths about the same gains as the current normal setup (34+, high Q oldies, with lots of experience). Just because the oldies gain aswell does not mean that they necessarily steal gains from youths. If you want the best results from your youths, follow the normal set-up tho.. lol :D

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Training Youths in Manager League can be fun or frustating or both!  , and if you plan to do it... make sure you do it right!

Before I begin, be aware that every statement posted on this blog is just an opinion based on my experience in training.

This section is for those who want to train without losing any team stats and/or  will be playing friendlies in 2 rounds per day (about 6 friendlies per round):

Like the title says, these are just the basics! there are more advanced strategies that affect training that i won't discuss

• Buy Old Players - to effectively train youths first you need to get a couple of old players.....preferably between 72-77Q , 32+ years old with as much experience as possible ( for me, they must have atleast 200 league matches)  and have about 7-8 of them in your starting training line-up.  How do you buy 8 Oldies without losing team stats? Well, plan ahead of time!  3 seasons prior to the season you start purchasing your youths, buy 4 Old players between 29-30 years of age 2 seasons prior to the season you start training, and another 4, 30-31 years old players on 1 season prior to the season you start training, then on the season you train your players, buy your youths.... 

 

• Buy Youths -First of all get an excelent scout and scout the youths several times(like 5-10 times) if they haven't played more that 6 matches (after 6 friendlies or league matches, your scout will give you accurate results). In my opinion, the higher the stars the more chances they have to gain in training camps and training rounds... though other than that, stars have no other effect on youth gainings.. a 3 star player has the same chances as a 5 star player to gain in training matches.. regardless it is better to buy a player with a high star (5 is the max) because of the reasons i mentioned earlier.. For the best gains with as much youths, 6-7 youths is ideal. but wait we have a dilema...  you can only buy 4 players without losing team stats.. well.. thats why you plan ahead and buy 4 players on the season you start training and buy 2-3 the next season!  I will not go into detail on what type of youths to buy, read some other blogs or post to figure that out :)

 

• Start each training match with only 3-4 Youths - If you are training 6 players, then only start each training match with 3 youth players! and sub in the 3 other youth players for the 3 youth players that started. Therefore, the rest of your starting line-up should be 8 players 32+ age with experience. There are certain other factors within line-up and tactics that affects gains... i'll only tell you a few ofcourse as i don't want to spill all the beans.. Use each of your starting youths as free-kick takers, corner taker, and penalty taker.. but use your oldest player with the most  league match experience as captain. 

 

• Play 200 friendlies and play as much matches as possible - The goal when training is to make the most of every opportunity you get to train your players, and the best way they can gain is through playing matches... 200 friendlies is the maximum you can do per season... but you can still play atleast  48 extra matches; of which includes atleast 4  cup matches each weekend, atleast 1 Department cup match, 1 League cup match, and 30 league matches. You might say that 200 friendlies is too much! but it really is easy! all you have to do is play 6-7 friendlies per round then rest your youths players if they are below 92 fitness preferably. And no you don't need 200 credits to play 200 friendlies, most people only use about 100 credits by playing a set of two matches with another manager in which both managers challenge each other. There is a thread known as "Friendlies (SETS)" listed under "latest threads" where you can request for these sets. and don't forget you can always wait in the queue for 10 mins to get matches...( though that is frustating and look into other blogs/post for details of how to play 200 friendlies with just 50 credits! ...)Please only use SOFT tackling... it benefits both you and your opponents in terms of fitness level. In addition don't forget training camps! schedule one each week end as they also help with gaining team stats. and DONT rest your players during training camps unless they are injured. 

 

 

 This section is for those who are training without caring about losing team stats and whom only train in only 1 round per day( 12+ friendlies in one round )

(reconmended for best gaining results).

• Buy Old Players - to effectively train youths first you need to get a couple of old players.....preferably between 72-77Q , 35+ years old with as much experience as possible ( for me, they must have atleast 200 league matches)  and buy atleast 16 of them (i'll tell you why 16 later in the blog).  

 

• Buy Youths -First of all get an excelent scout and scout the youths several times (like 5-10 times) if they haven't played more that 6 matches (after 6 friendlies or league matches, your scout will give you accurate results) . In my opinion, the higher the stars the more chances they have to gain in training camps and training rounds... though other than that, stars have no other effect on youth gainings.. a 3 star player has the same chances as a 5 star player to gain in training matches.. regardless it is better to buy a player with a high star (5 is the max) because of the reasons i mentioned earlier.. For the best gains with as much youths, 6-7 youths is ideal!  I will not go into detail on what type of youths to buy, read some other blogs or post to figure that out :)
  

• Start each training match with only 3-4 Youth - If you are training 6 players, then only start each training match with 3 youth players! and sub in the 3 other youth players for the 3 youth players that started. Therefore, the rest of your starting line-up should be 8 players 35+ age with experience. There are certain other factors within line-up and tactics that affects gains... i'll only tell you a few ofcourse as i don't want to spill all the beans.. Use each of your starting youths as free-kick takers, corner taker, and penalty taker.. but use your oldest player with the most  league match experience as captain. 
  

 

• Play 200 friendlies and play as much matches as possible - The goal when training is to make the most of every opportunity you get to train your players, and the best way they can gain is through playing matches... 200 friendlies is the maximum you can do per season... but you can still play atleast  48 extra matches; of which includes atleast 4  cup matches each weekend, atleast 1 Department cup match, 1 League cup match, and 30 league matches. In the meantime change all 4 of your training programs to "rest" because that would give you an additional 4 fitness points for every player each round regardless of if you rest or do not rest your players. Play 12-14 friendlies every other round. Play about 6 friendlies with your first set of oldies, and play the other 6+ friendlies with your other set of oldies (so create the line-ups before hand and save them with one that includes your first set of old players and the other with your second set of old players. After you are done with the friendlies you may choose to rest the players or not depending on how much fitness they have left.. I recommend resting them only if they are below 85 fits.. you may need the  And no you don't need 200 credits to play 200 friendlies, most people only use about 100 credits by playing a set of two matches with another manager in which both managers challenge each other.  and don't forget you can always wait in the queue for 10 mins to get matches... There is a thread known as "Friendlies (SETS)" listed under "latest threads" where you can request for these sets. and don't forget you can always wait in the queue for 10 mins to get matches...( though that is frustating and look into other blogs/post for details of how to play 200 friendlies with just 50 credits! ...) Please only use SOFT tackling... it benefits both you and your opponents in terms of fitness level. In addition don't forget training camps! schedule one each week end as they also help with gaining team stats. and DONT rest your players during training camps unless they are injured.