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Developer Diary, Part 4 (10/03/2009 00:20)

Oh blast! I just wrote this entry, then stupid Internet Exporer (I use it now and then for testing-purposes only) asked me if I wanted to allow popups, and it ended up reloading the page, deleting my completed entry! Gah, I hate it when that happens, 45 minutes down the drain. Oh well, nevermind, let's get down to business!

Once again, it's time to reveal a little tidbit of what we are working on in the coming update for ManagerLeague.
This is the fourth chapter in the Developer Diary, and you can find the previous chapters here, here and here.
If you have not read them yet, do so now.

For the past week or so, I have been spotted frequently in the Norwegian forums, in a few selected but important threads.
The topic? Transfers, economy, how new users meet barriers today that were not so obvious before, and some problems with player-value. And that is just for starters. Then there is the term "rebuilders" of course, which is is hot topic these days.

We have a number of updates planned that touches these topics, and I have been asked to shed some light on it.
I would like to remind everyone that this may not be the complete list of changes that has to do with these topics, nor should they be considered guaranteed until testing and financial simulations have been completed.

Let's just get cracking.

Point 1: More money for sacked players
As a helping hand to new teams, we have decided to increase the amount they get for sacking "worthless" players from their starting team. This will help a bit towards solving the problem where they can not afford the players they need, while more established teams can not find buyers who can afford the players they wish to get rid of.

Point 2: Value-adjustments of low-Q players
Some flaws in the value-formula have been pointed out, and will be corrected. This is likely to make players with a low Quality cheaper, so newer teams can actually afford a Q 68 replacement without blowing the budget for the entire season.

Point 3: Sack'em if you got'em
Right now, your chairman will not allow you to sack young players with a certain quality, due to their potential.
This artificial limitation will be removed, putting YOU in control.

Point 4: Sacked players remain in the game
Right now, a sacked player will be deleted from the game. This was introduced as an anti-cheat feature.
We are changing this, so they will "go on vacation" for a random time (for the sake of argument, say 12-24 hours) before they re-appear as teamless players on the market. This will have several nice side-effects, like bringing more money out of the game, but also allowing new teams access to seasoned veterans who are no longer welcome with a bigger club.

Point 5: The +/- 10 Quality limit
This feature was implemented at a time where we did not want the richer teams to intrude with bids on the typical Q70 youngster, leaving them for the newer teams. This has the side-effect of blowing up the price on the youngsters they COULD get hands on, into the 400 millions range. It also lead to a lot of major clubs having a bunch of rubbish players just to drop their average quality.
This seems very strange, very artificial, and has to be fixed.
The new limit will be  + 10 only (No downward limit).
This should also stimulate the transfer-market a bit, with more buyers able to buy the mentioned youngsters with a bit lower Quality.

Point 6: Oh no, please, more taxes again?
My original diary (before IE deleted it) had a funny joke here about the global financial crisis, but since I can't recall what I wrote, it has been moved to the parallell dimension that holds lost socks, lost jokes and lost friendlies.
More to the point, the fortune-tax will be increased from 2,5% to 4% (for those with more than 100.000.000 $).
We do not wish to stimulate "hoarding" or "saving" in ManagerLeague, and would rather see the money in circulation to improve the balance. It also helps a bit on the inflation, if not by much.

Point 7: A maximum number of players purchased per season???
This point has not been decided yet, but I figured I might jot it down in case it turns out to be imeplemented.
Our feeble attempt of limiting this with a penalty to the team-stats per purchased player, has indeed failed.
It is now actually more beneficial to make many purchases at the same time, when starting a "rebuild", than to buy 1-2 players per season, leading to very homogenous (identical maybe?) teams with 20 players of the same age.
To get away from the artificial "all 17 year old players"-teams we see now and then, we are considering a hard limit to how many players you can buy per season. I said CONSIDERING!

So, as you can see, there are a number of changes here that will change some dynamics in the game, specially when it comes to buying and selling players. This, with the added "auto-accept amount" we described earlier, should hopefully help the transfer-market a bit.
We will also clean up Active Transfers to something more usable, and the new My Transfers section (and it's ease of use) should help too.
We also see the need for better information for our new users, as we seem to lose a lot of them rather quickly. We don't belive that they leave "cause the game sucks", as we have strong indications that many leave before even having a chance to consider the game.

We also acknowledge the fact that "rebuilding" is more a symptom of something not being right, than a bad thing on its own. Staying at "the top" is almost impossible without complete rebuilds, and this is a situation we have to improve. Most of these listed changes help newer teams, but we have not forgotten about all you veterans either. That's information for a later chapter though.

I will leave you this screenshot of our new Champions League section (click it for a full-size version), and the observant reader might pick up on some new statistical information there, as well as the great graphics supplied by Coach Mac.

Happy hunting out there, and may all your matches end victoriously!

Until next time
- Spinner

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Slacko wrote:
00:39 10/03 2009
pictureits great to hear some of the suggestions has been taken care of...thanks to the crew.
Zz00194008 wrote:
00:41 10/03 2009
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To get away from the artificial "all 17 year old players"-teams we see now and then, we are considering a hard limit to how many players you can buy per season. I said CONSIDERING!

not like n it at all if they do this.. bad buzz...its going to take alot of the fun out of the game for me if they do this!!!!

Snåsamannen wrote:
00:49 10/03 2009
pictureGreat!:D
Lord AC wrote:
00:54 10/03 2009
pictureHow about fixing the first knockout stage so that group winners don't meet other group winners? Seems like there is no award for winning the group when it's random what team you meet... :)
einar_s. wrote:
00:59 10/03 2009
pictureYay, my team from Dev is used in the example of MLCL.
Zz00055721 wrote:
01:02 10/03 2009
pictureREALY GOOOD!! Cant wait!
Filosofen wrote:
01:34 10/03 2009
pictureI like the fact that you will get rid of the "17yo teams". I played the game for several seasons and tried to run a normal club. But I found out that it was near impossible when all the good teams just rebuild all the time and was saving up money. So now I do the same thing. It's the best way, but it's unrealistic, so please do what you wrote:)
Polly Lima wrote:
01:35 10/03 2009
pictureHelp the lord! GREAT stuff, Spinner! Really nice! I
Metin wrote:
01:36 10/03 2009
picturewonderful. gratz you all.
Broder Daniel wrote:
02:24 10/03 2009
pictureFinally you've heard my prayers, Spinner..   But a better way to fix the "rebuilding-problem" is to restrict the number of youth players in the squad to 4-5.       Anyway many good improvements!  
Zz00205056 wrote:
06:12 10/03 2009
pictureWHEN IT IT IS GO ING TO START?
Micheeff wrote:
07:44 10/03 2009
pictureNICE! i love you Spinner
blabla22 wrote:
07:52 10/03 2009
pictureYou beat me in the quarter finals Spinner! :p (my dev team)
Zz00118229 wrote:
07:55 10/03 2009
picturegood job.
Zz00054057 wrote:
08:00 10/03 2009
picturelooks good when will the new ml be set to use?
Zz00159429 wrote:
08:03 10/03 2009
pictureWas there really a bot in season 2 which won the champions league? Hail to that bot!!!
Zz00206303 wrote:
08:13 10/03 2009
pictureWas there really a bot in season 2 which won the champions league? Hail to that bot!!!
Zz00080605 wrote:
09:09 10/03 2009
pictureSpecki: There was no CL in season 2, it wasnt implemented until a few seasons ago..

Spinner: It all sounds great!
Zz00017257 wrote:
09:18 10/03 2009
pictureDamn Spinner. Did u just read my brain and copied it ;) GOOD WORK :)
Jacinto Monteiro wrote:
10:11 10/03 2009
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I agree! End the unrealistic all 17y old teams. Its an advantage that some teams have atm and that others dont have.

Its not good for the game. IN OVERALL.

Zz00078981 wrote:
10:54 10/03 2009
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Specki: There was no CL in season 2, it wasnt implemented until a few seasons ago..

 

Mrs Mac says - This is the DEV season 2 - Spinner, this is looking tremendous, keep up the good work.

Qxigen wrote:
11:11 10/03 2009
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nice job man...really

 

Zz00001825 wrote:
11:18 10/03 2009
pictureCongratulations and good work you into the habit of god
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Eliot wrote:
11:25 10/03 2009
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I have a little suggestion. Instead of limiting the players you can buy each season, why not take away the teamstats loss on players 20+ and have the penalty on players 17-19. 1-2- on 17yos and 18yos and 1- on 19yos. This would be better + people could buy older players without losing teamstats. Then the most teams would buy players instead of saving money.

What do you think?

Pedross01 wrote:
11:29 10/03 2009
pictureCongratulations and very good work
Wiggy wrote:
12:06 10/03 2009
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im liking the imporvemnets throughout the game and im throughly looking forward to its eventual release (until then we still got the free custom cup "waitin for updates i hope hehe).

 

1 little thing i did notice and im sure others have, why on the previous winners list are there missing seasons?

seasons 1,11(which u reached your semi ^_^), 14 and 15 are not on the formor champions list.

 

Other than that it looks good and cant wait for it.

 

Rebel

Zz00152894 wrote:
12:23 10/03 2009
picture"To get away from the artificial "all 17 year old players"-teams we see now and then, we are considering a hard limit to how many players you can buy per season. I said CONSIDERING!"

I am giving this 1,000,000 thumbs up. It really kills the game for me seeing all youngster teams and getting rid of this will make older, experienced players more valuable than they are now.
Zz00207047 wrote:
12:33 10/03 2009
pictureREALY GOOOD!! Cant wait!
Óscar Tabárez wrote:
12:39 10/03 2009
picture

YEAH GOOD

A l e x wrote:
12:50 10/03 2009
pictureOH come on Spinner, dont leave us hanging! Give us the result in your CL match!!!!!
Mr Cantona wrote:
12:51 10/03 2009
picturece! :p
Makura wrote:
13:03 10/03 2009
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Sounds Great. We Need to keep these new managers in the game!!!

Zz00176786 wrote:
13:20 10/03 2009
pictureGood ideas like those above are allways wellcome. Regards
Zz00123640 wrote:
13:23 10/03 2009
pictureis it possible to have the text in french please
Dolarel wrote:
13:35 10/03 2009
picturei don't like Point 7: A maximum number of players purchased per season???
Zz00194654 wrote:
13:42 10/03 2009
picturehmmmm im not sure for this
Zz00123640 wrote:
13:54 10/03 2009
picturenever mind
Hans Beck wrote:
14:10 10/03 2009
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Good

 

Wiggy wrote:
14:10 10/03 2009
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its more likely to be a limit on how many youths you can purchase in 1 season instead of just a blanket on how many players you can buy.

Rebel

Zz00194998 wrote:
14:10 10/03 2009
pictureits good...
gonzaless wrote:
14:26 10/03 2009
picture
is not really a team to carry out such rejuvenescence players for such a short time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
masko wrote:
14:30 10/03 2009
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Godd ;)

lukibula1988 wrote:
14:36 10/03 2009
picturerealy good
Zz00123640 wrote:
14:39 10/03 2009
picturenever mind
Zz00184942 wrote:
14:47 10/03 2009
picture

dobrze

 

Zz00091981 wrote:
14:56 10/03 2009
pictureyeah pls
Zz00076516 wrote:
15:01 10/03 2009
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taxes evryone  wants more money ....i hope the taxe will be lower teams in the 1-5 seasones

 

Zz00149117 wrote:
15:04 10/03 2009
pictureGood job spinner & Co
cio_marian wrote:
15:06 10/03 2009
picturegood
Zz00208380 wrote:
15:09 10/03 2009
picturebelea
GANCINO wrote:
15:15 10/03 2009
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fantastic

 

Trx wrote:
15:21 10/03 2009
pictureNice. About rebuilding limits: consider a hard cap on buying 17 years old players only imo. This way if someone really want to "rebuild" he/she can do it by buying 17 yo players up to the limit, and some 18 yo ones (or even a few older one) to fill the the whole roster, OR he/she can do it during several seasons, every time buying the max amount of 17 yo players.
Zz00055628 wrote:
15:28 10/03 2009
picture

Hi Spinner,

 don't know if it's the right place to post it, but it my first post here...

1. Have you ever considered the idea of allow lending players

2. What about creating league's best players team (like national teams in reality just to simulate their calls from the national teams, with economic rewards too for the player's owner)?

Zz00218808 wrote:
15:30 10/03 2009
picturecool...
Gioseff94 wrote:
15:32 10/03 2009
picture:D
Zz00118360 wrote:
16:01 10/03 2009
pictureBravo, buon lavoro!
Zz00198680 wrote:
16:12 10/03 2009
picturegood job
Zz00003459 wrote:
16:15 10/03 2009
pictureGood ideas like those above are allways wellcome  // Copewe
Zz00194927 wrote:
16:16 10/03 2009
picturecool
Zz00169263 wrote:
16:17 10/03 2009
pictureGood work
Mr. Mattis Holt wrote:
16:18 10/03 2009
picturelovely!
Herman Hedning wrote:
16:19 10/03 2009
picturelooks great! im happy that i dont have over 100 000 000 ^^
Zz00166388 wrote:
16:26 10/03 2009
pictureyeah
Ragno wrote:
16:28 10/03 2009
pictureTHERE IS ENOUGH SWISS PLAYER NOW TI CREATE SWISS LEAGUE ????????
Zz00117633 wrote:
16:28 10/03 2009
picturegood.......
Grigorij Rasputin wrote:
16:40 10/03 2009
pictureThis looks very good :)
Zz00217952 wrote:
16:41 10/03 2009
picturegood
Zz00217446 wrote:
16:50 10/03 2009
picture

im new in this game 1 seasean a go i was 2 now im 14:(

 

Zz00105580 wrote:
16:55 10/03 2009
picturefantastic
Zz00213002 wrote:
17:29 10/03 2009
picturegood
Zz00100907 wrote:
17:41 10/03 2009
pictureAWESOME
ulli wrote:
17:45 10/03 2009
picture

good

Zz00226438 wrote:
17:53 10/03 2009
picturecan't wait to it comes
Zz00197209 wrote:
18:24 10/03 2009
picture;)WOW??
Zz00221573 wrote:
18:30 10/03 2009
picturefantastic
Kaiser Soze wrote:
18:33 10/03 2009
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(tup) very nice!!.............i hope there will be a limit on maximum players bought every season! ;)

 

 

Hasipek EMRAH wrote:
18:34 10/03 2009
picturewonderfulllllllllllll
Zz00136526 wrote:
18:35 10/03 2009
pictureSpinner, I know that you are CONSIDERING, just considering the fact of a maximum number of players purchased per season, but if that day ever comes, the game will lose a lot of interest. As it is, it's a challenge to rebuild a team, and it's one of the most funny things here.

Resuming, if that ever becomes reality, IMHO, the game wont be that much interesting.
Gaahlskagg wrote:
18:48 10/03 2009
pictureVERY GOOD!!!
GREAT!!!
Zz00126233 wrote:
18:49 10/03 2009
pictureperfect
Zz00224067 wrote:
18:50 10/03 2009
picturecooooooooool
☢Mr.Radioactive☢ wrote:
18:59 10/03 2009
pictureNice.
GJ Spinner
SirCrodos wrote:
19:03 10/03 2009
pictureEXCELENTE!!! :)
DJayTee wrote:
19:19 10/03 2009
pictureI love all the changes EXCEPT the increased fortune tax for teams with more than $100.000.000 in their bank-account!!

To be honest $100.000.000 isn't that much! I think that having a bank-account where you are able to buy 3-4 good players shouldn't be penalized!

If the new 4% limit was implemented to start at $500.000.000+ I would agree.

But at only $100.000.000+?? C'moooon! 2,5% is enough for such a low amount of money!
DJayTee wrote:
19:21 10/03 2009
pictureI ment 3-4 DECENT players. 3-4 GOOD players would cost at least $300.000.000 :S
Slayes wrote:
19:24 10/03 2009
pictureA maximum number of players purchased per season

Dont hear any one that use to scream about a realistic game say anything about this one! This is just so unrealistic like have a team whit just 17y players..

This is a game and I still want it to be a FUN game!
Zz00221297 wrote:
19:54 10/03 2009
pictureawesome!!! good job!!!
Zz00213589 wrote:
20:05 10/03 2009
picturenice1 cant wait!
Zz00039678 wrote:
20:33 10/03 2009
pictureRestrict the number of youth players in the squad to 3-4!
Vetchfield wrote:
20:39 10/03 2009
picturePoint 7 is brilliant!
Zz00191602 wrote:
20:45 10/03 2009
picturejupi
Zz00214088 wrote:
21:16 10/03 2009
picturevery nice~
Zz00192599 wrote:
21:56 10/03 2009
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VERY NICE

Zz00135208 wrote:
22:21 10/03 2009
pictureBeautiful !:)
AAT wrote:
22:25 10/03 2009
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What does point 5 really mean?

Grabben wrote:
22:46 10/03 2009
pictureReally nice work. This will improve the game alot.
Calabresi wrote:
23:38 10/03 2009
pictureas always, getting better all the time
Storbukaas wrote:
23:59 10/03 2009
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Good! :D

When will it start? Next seson or not decided yet?

Zz00014475 wrote:
00:53 11/03 2009
picturegood work
Zz00223336 wrote:
02:27 11/03 2009
pictureAbsolutely stunning ..great work 
Zz00159779 wrote:
03:53 11/03 2009
picturenvm..juz i think its juz so so...
Super1 wrote:
05:03 11/03 2009
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I like it?

come on....:)

Zz00224260 wrote:
08:25 11/03 2009
pictureBAGUS-BAGUS!!!!!
Zz00201091 wrote:
10:08 11/03 2009
picturefine
Zz00139278 wrote:
12:00 11/03 2009
pictureol very good
Roscopp wrote:
12:10 11/03 2009
pictureInstead of limiting the amount of player purchases, limits should be considered as follows:

- maximum of 24 players in any one squad
- maximum of 7 youth players (teenagers) in any one squad

This would enable teams to develop youth players in a more realistic manner, and also prevent long established teams from burying their wealth and avoiding tax by having huge player lists.  Lets be real, how many players does a single team really need on its list????
Rodriguesa wrote:
15:09 11/03 2009
picturei still think it's stupid to pay for players with out contract
Zz00198680 wrote:
15:14 11/03 2009
pictureok
Kaiser Soze wrote:
16:58 11/03 2009
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...............i welcomed the idea of only being able to buy a few players pr season..............................but now im not sure!!

 

That would make it an MASSIVE advantage (for the next 15 seasons) for those teams rebuilding right before the change...............so this need to be told everyone at least a few seasons before.............so that everybody got the possibillity to rebuild an last time!

Zz00202102 wrote:
18:18 11/03 2009
picturevery good
Zz00119484 wrote:
18:27 11/03 2009
picture

Noticed one thing that you should improve. You haven't watched your quarter final, but you allready know you went trough to the semis. where's the fun and exitement in that? I have been thinking of a suggestion for a while, but since you don't read them anymore, I'll try to post it here. Everytime you have played a match there should be a different start up screen with a message like "You have played a match, klick here to watch it", and a link to the match. Implement this for all matches except training matches, as that would be rather annoying. Then you would have to watch the match before you know that you won or lost (cup issue).

Feedback on this idea would be magnificent! ;)

Other than that: Great work with the update Spinner, hope it arrives soon!! (tup)

indecline wrote:
20:32 11/03 2009
pictureSUPER :D
Woooody wrote:
22:55 11/03 2009
pictureNice improvements. Likes the new CL-design. :D
Zz00165080 wrote:
23:22 11/03 2009
picturebu ne anlamadım
Zz00117723 wrote:
01:03 12/03 2009
picturequiero jugar como hagop
Zz00218419 wrote:
05:34 13/03 2009
picturekeren.....
Zz00046611 wrote:
01:59 14/03 2009
pictureUnless you end the Credit System this game will never be good.
bosslippo wrote:
10:41 14/03 2009
picturewoi sapa yang dari indonesia..............mantap, keren,,, oke. dari iuventus fc....boss lippo
Zz00192759 wrote:
13:54 14/03 2009
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when appened the change of the game???

 

Gbasa wrote:
16:57 14/03 2009
pictureLooking forward using all new features when I'm able to get really active again :) stand tall fellows......
Pimpmaster J wrote:
19:00 14/03 2009
pictureCan anyone explain point 5 to me? I don't understand that one!
Zz00196339 wrote:
01:11 15/03 2009
pictureGreat can't wait. GOOD JOB :)
Zz00132025 wrote:
07:55 16/03 2009
picturei am the king
catalin n. wrote:
07:58 16/03 2009
picture

ok

 

Zz00007733 wrote:
16:37 16/03 2009
pictureI'd be alot more interested in what was posted if my team that has been around since Season 1 of this game back in the summer of 2005 hadn't been deleted after I took a year or so off. So much for supporting the game by buying credits on multiple occasions, I guess that's how long-time members of the game get treated.
Zz00126233 wrote:
06:48 17/03 2009
pictureyes its ok
3_H wrote:
11:44 23/03 2009
pictureOnece again ML show a fine and magnifact way to improve the joy of the game. This game is magnifact and will be better with all of this upgrades. It's going to awsome and Legendary!:)
Zz00031360 wrote:
01:01 14/04 2009
picture

ok

 

Zz00257114 wrote:
12:57 14/07 2009
pictureVery good!!!
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